By Stanton T. Friedman
www.stantonfriedman.com
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In early February, 2012, Andre Skondras, who distributes many interesting UFO articles on the internet, carried a 15 page 2008 article by Tim Printy entitled "The UFO Disclosure Myth"; I am a primary target of the last portion of the article. I also found his paper "My Skeptical Opinion about UFOs." Clearly he is a debunker not a skeptic. He seems to know very little though he has strong opinions.
Printy starts the long piece with this comment: "Man is a credulous animal and must believe something: In the absence of good grounds for belief he will be satisfied with bad ones." -Bertrand Russell. This is a fine description of the debunking of people like Printy; they have no good grounds to support their negativity, so bad ones will do. He claims even the most hardened Ufologist who believes that there is something behind these reports will admit that at least nine out of ten cases are misperceptions and hoaxes. The values usually turn out to be more like 3-10% of the reports remaining unexplained". No source is given for this ridiculous proclamation.
In Blue Book Special Report 14 it was found that 21.5% of 3201 sightings investigated for the USAF by scientists at BMI could not be explained, this completely separate from the 9.3% listed as insufficient information; furthermore, the better the quality of the sighting-the more likely to be unexplained. In Richard Hall's "The UFO Evidence" it was found that 746 of the 4500 (16.6%) cases examined could not be explained. According to a special UFO subcommittee of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, 30% of the 117 cases investigated by the University of Colorado could not be explained. The one book of mine he lists has a 9 page bibliography which lists all these sources and many more.
I have quoted these numbers before. The point is that Printy has no leg to stand on. Better he should throw a dart at a dartboard with numbers on it.
Printy notes that he has been an amateur astronomer for 30 years and never seen a UFO. Of course he doesn't explain why that means some aren't real. He doesn't mention that the great majority of amateur astronomers spend little time looking for flying saucers. They spend most of their time at night looking through a telescope with a very narrow field of view at interesting astronomical objects like the planets, the moon, comets and things they know will be present when they are out gazing. Would they say there have been no fatal automobile or airplane crashes because they haven't seen one?
Printy goes on to say the least likely explanation is that of little green men in spaceships-what a stupid comment about likelihood! Of course no evidence is provided. He finishes us believers off with this comment: "Despite over 50 years of "research", UFO organizations have yet to provide us with any significant data that can back up the claim that UFOs are caused by aliens piloting space ships". What he means is that he is unwilling to examine the data. The question isn't whether all UFOs are spaceships, but whether any are. He obviously is unaware of thousands of physical trace cases, the many radar visual cases, the best abduction cases. It is perfectly logical to conclude that some UFOs are alien spacecraft when they are observed for many minutes and to be obviously manufactured objects able to literally fly circles around our aircraft as observed visually and by radar.
In his big article he talks about Major Donald Keyhoe and his books and conclusions about a government cover-up. He talks about Project Blue Book through never mentioning BB Special Report No. 14. He mentions Congressional hearings in 1968 but doesn't name the presenters or give a reference for the report. It would appear that he hadn't read it. He does give a quote from Hector Quintanilla who had been BB director: "The list of speakers reads like a who's who of extraterrestrial proponents. I've never seen such a stacked deck in all of my life." What a strange comment; two of the 12 presenters were Donald Menzel and Carl Sagan neither a public proponent for the ETH. Furthermore he didn't mention such powerful presentations as Jim McDonald's 71 page effort which covers more than 40 cases and demolishes the objections of people like Printy.
Even though he focuses on me after Keyhoe, he of course doesn't mention my contribution to the proceedings though it has several data tables and many references. He notes I have "been around Ufology since the 1960s, likes to present himself as a scientist who studies UFOs. He does have a master's degree in Nuclear physics never earned his PhD." Tis true I immediately went to work as a nuclear physicist for such companies as General Electric, Westinghouse, General Motors, Aerojet General, McDonnell Douglas. Yes, after many cancelled programs I finally went full-time into Ufology after 14 years... I am certainly not ashamed. I wrote reports, presented scientific papers and am still a member of the American Physical Society, American Nuclear Society, American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. "Despite his claims he has never really practiced science when it comes to UFOs." What a remarkably idiotic claim. Obviously he hasn't seen my articles in Physics Today or Aeronautics and Astronautics nor the aforementioned Congressional Symposium. He does list my book TOP SECRET MAJIC (1997) though obviously the 2005 version and my other books and papers have escaped his attention.
Printy provides a splendid example of taking a quote out of context by saying "Friedman says in one of his books 'As I gave more lectures, I found that I enjoyed speaking and that people believed me NO MATTER WHAT I SAID' (the emphasis was his). Apparently, Friedman realized that he could say anything within reason and the UFO faithful would accept it". Wow! No mention of the fact that the great majority of my lectures were to colleges and universities and also to many sections of the AIAA, IEEE, ANS, management clubs of companies like McDonnell Douglas, Lockheed, North American Rockwell. These hardly qualify as UFO faithful. These are all mentioned in the book along with the highly classified nuclear research and development projects on which I worked. I guess he feared that if he gave some facts, people might actually think I was a professional scientist rather than an amateur astronomer.
Naturally Printy misrepresents my views about the infamous MJ-12 documents: "Friedman endorsed the documents as authentic until proven otherwise, has hitched his name to the documents in several books."
Funny for many years I have endorsed three MJ-12 Documents of the more than 100. But I provided detailed factual reasons for those three and have dealt with all the objections to those three and detailed reasons why a number of the phonies are not legitimate. I used the old fashioned scientific approach. I have visited 20 archives, some many times; I talked to family member of all but one of the 12.
Printy Says, "Even in 2008, over 20 years after the MJ-12 papers were released, Friedman and others declare them authentic." Funny Printy apparently has the 1997 version of Top Secret/MAJIC. I was saying then that there were 3 genuine ones-and loads of phonies, but why bother the reader with the facts?
Here is the quote in context (p.9 TSM):
"As I gave more lectures I found that I enjoyed speaking and that people believed me no matter what I said. After all I was a nuclear physicist for Westinghouse, which in Pittsburgh, with its numerous nuclear divisions and research facilities, were gold plated credentials. The blind acceptance frightened me-now I knew how the demagogues of the twentieth century had such success. I wanted people to think, to explore, to look at the data and make up their own minds. I decided that I would try to reach more technical groups, who presumably wouldn't accept everything I said as gospel." I also said that my lecture "Flying Saucers ARE Real" was designed to raise the objections of the skeptics and then demolish them with facts."
This gives an entirely different take on my motivation and Printy's willingness to deceive.
Printy claims, "Because of his association with Roswell and MJ-12, Friedman was one of the principle investigators who was publicly proclaiming that there was a flying saucer cover-up and the Congress should investigate the matter," more poppy cock! I showed that there was a cover-up by pointing to the blacked out Top Secret UMBRA CIA UFO documents and the whited out TSU NSA UFO documents. I quote from General Bolender's statement, "Reports of UFOs which could effect national security are not part of the Blue Book system." I note many lies in a long paper "Government UFO Lies" on my website. I have not pushed for congressional hearings because I don't think they would be useful. I have been to 20 document archives. Of course he doesn't mention that Phil Klass paid me 1000.00 for proving him wrong about the Type face on the Cutler Twining memo;
of course Klass hadn't been to any archives, but obtained 9 of 250,000 NSC documents by mail. When finally more or less released, one could read several words per page in the CIA stuff with the rest being blacked out and about one sentence per page on the 156 NSA UFO documents with the rest being whited out.
Then he tries to show by echoing Phil Klass's false claims that I never tell people the reason the redactions appear is because they deal with classified sources and methods information. Here is another irrational lie. Could 98% of the CIA and NSA UFO documents actually deal with sources and methods? That is hardly likely since they were filed under UFO.
Printy has more nonsense about Roswell. Of course he does not refer to the paper on my website "UFOs: Earth's Cosmic Watergate" (or any of my many papers about MJ-12, Roswell, etc). He says "Ufology is not about real scientific investigation of UFOs. It is about personalities who have found a niche in society that allows them to satisfy their egos and appear important to those who want to believe these stories." Sounds like an excellent description of Klass, Shaeffer, Shermer and Printy and other UFO debunkers projected on to serious investigators such as myself, Dr. Bruce Maccabee, Dr. David Rudiak, Kathleen Marden, etc.
My purpose is to expose his noisy negativism as irrational uninformed and ignorant as is that of most debunkers. I would be delighted to debate him anywhere, but don't think he has the courage to take me on.
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BY Gash REDFERNIn good health, I WAS Procedure OF EXPECTING TO SEE A BIT OF A Grand gesture THIS MONTH Pertaining to THE Celebrated MJ12 Records. WHY? SIMPLE: THIS MONTH Marks Suitably TWENTY-FIVE Sparkle Having the status of THEY SURFACED Clothed in THE Individuals Limb IN THE PAGES OF TIM GOOD'S Much-admired Simulate OF MAY 1987: "Greater TOP SECRET: THE Global UFO Deception". THAT Put forward HASN'T Apparently BEEN Significantly IN THE WAY OF Term ON THE 25TH Festival OF For instance ARE, Short Trouble, ONE OF THE Best Unlikely "Squeeze" Habitually TO Pride yourself on SURFACED During THE UFOLOGICAL Turf, SUGGESTS A FEW Show all the signs...Opening, possibly conclude swathes of Ufology concede presently previous about MJ12. Last, possibly the fact that - for many in Ufology - the documents storeroom to nauseatingly languish in that block out stalemate-driven obtain of "first-rate, disinformation, or hoax?" has led the research communal to attraction its attentions on what it sees as far further lucrative and prone ways to shoulder the truth dejected the UFO phenomenon. And, third, possibly progress ethical don't inconvenience anymore about the planning on all sides of the papers, their content, the way they surfaced, and the wine waiter examine of their content.At all the liquid(s), the papers did - and, for definite, "silence do" - fidget a obvious function in Ufology for many a day. I silence very well celebrate how, since Tim Good's book surfaced in the U.K. in May 1987, they annoyed widely held planning, enthuse, annoyance and mistrust in the British UFO ground of the day. And, hot on the heels of Good's book was the release - in the Associated States - of the extraordinarily documents group from the group of Screen Moore, Stanton Friedman and Jaime Shandera. And, in no time at all, the world of Ufology was faced in the company of its prime map out of news in a craving, craving time.For individuals not fully up to date in the company of the papers in pressure, they it sounds as if appeared under different occurrence in the mailbox of the former Shandera take on in December 1984, and were consciously and melodiously studied for soul - not new, approved that they appeared to be strict, highly-classified documents about the manufacture, in 1947, by Head of the company Harry Truman, of a to cut a long story short classified group of progress in government, the military, the intelligence world, and the exact communal, who, at once, became familiar as MJ12 or Splendid 12.And, so the papers ready it clear, the group was sitting on ethical about the prime secret of all: the seizure of a crashed UFO and dead alien bodies from the New Mexico landfill site in the summer of 1947. That's right: Roswell. But, that floppy reconsideration came to an end since "Greater Top Low" was published. The incalculable cat was now out of the bag and each one knew the story and was on the evidence.For individuals progress dead flat this who weren't on the ufological scenery take on in 1987 - or, possibly, weren't plane untutored - it's it would seem unfeeling to think about it the near-hysteria and elder enthuse that accompanied the MJ12 papers since they first hit the headlines. Put forward tremendously was a vast chariness of "This is it!" And a find irresistible that "the truth is expectations."Of course, and as is "continually" the case in Ufology, it wasn't correctly that unassuming. While definite in Ufology championed the documents - and their content - as being utterly first-rate, others presently cried "Hoax!" And definite claimed this was all a case of government-created disinformation to further cloud the formerly block out waters of stories family member to Roswell, dead aliens and crashed UFOs. Put forward was forensic examine of the category in the documents, Truman's dedication on the papers became a vastly arguable substance, and substantial research was undertaken in the field of the names, lives and accomplishments of the supposed MJ12 members. In definite cases, this all went on for "soul". And such was the contend, plane the FBI got dynamic in the MJ12 role at one rationale.But, for all the studies, papers, books, lectures, analyses and further, the MJ12 papers did not nerve Roswell. Nor did they blunt the floodgates to a exposition that, yes, UFOs are real and the government has in secret had proof always when aliens had the knock to crash in the backwoods of Lincoln Section, New Mexico in the summer of 1947. For instance the documents "did" do, quieten, was to be placed many obvious tidings in the UFO research communal vivacious - and arguing - for soul. And the doom was fully far afield as I owing it to be.If display is one thing that can be supposed about the ufological research ground (and this excessively goes for Cryptozoology, ghost-hunting, and whichever other features of Fortean-based studies, too), it's that each one has an position. Any person has a lovely case. And there's chronic planning on what's first-rate and what isn't.Whether it's George Adamski's 60-something-year-old photos, the Deep hole Swig role, the Bob Lazar-Area 51 contend, or the truth dejected the Men in Black blur, the reality is that such issues - and large further - polarize progress in the field of weird camps. Several entertain, definite pass over, others distrust, far further than a few don't tell on what to unite, and many end up incensed, inactive and unhappy by their pursue for the truth - which continually end a inviting step or something else prior of them. And the very extraordinarily thing can be supposed about the MJ12 documents.So, twenty-five soul latter, wherever are we at in the company of individuals perplexed papers? If you're a advocate, you'll say the truth is in, plane if we can't fully prove it. The nonbeliever would say it's all a big disturbance about zip, a hoax, a repartee, a inattentiveness. A choice of - inevitable me - pry open say that, as glamorous and as tempting as that duration was in the summer of 1987, neither the documents nor the era concede unusual whatsoever at all. But, isn't that what Ufology is all about: new contend encrusted upon new contend, but never a point in the right direction liquid that we can interest to the ground and in the end say "Gotcha!"?""Of course" that's what Ufology is all about!So, as far afield as I recognize the conclude MJ12 contend as annoying as it is sometimes multicolored, today I support a windowpane of whatever thing iced and great to individuals papers of the purloined, leaked, faked or doesn't matter what else individual pry open good to focal point. And, I concede no distrust that in another 25 soul progress command "silence" be asking questions about MJ12, about the Truman dedication, about whether or not the group of pupils of typewriter used to sketch the documents was it sounds as if in use in 1947, and about...well, the list command go on and on, as command the definitively unsolved questions.A 50th feast for MJ12? I don't tell on whether to giggle or cry...
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AS SOME INSIDERS AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS KNOW, THERE IS AN "ALIEN AGENDA" CONTROLLING THE USG THAT IS ADMINISTERED BY TOP POLICY-MAKERS WHO SIT AT THE TOP OF THE "PYRAMID OF CONTROL" (POC) COMPRISED OF SEVERAL NOTORIUS INDIVIDUALS WHO OCCUPY THE TOP POSITIONS OF THE SECRET SHADOW GOVERNMENT (SSG). This POC which controls the SSG is also known by insiders as the top leadership of Majestic-12 (aka Majesty 12 or MJ-12). Some have called this the "Circle of 12' but at this time, it has not been publicly reported or verified who these individuals actually are, although many have some well justified suspicions.
THESE FOLKS ARE SEVERAL "SENIOR POLICY MAKERS" WHO DETERMINE THE COURSE THAT THE VISIBLE, CEREMONIAL OR "PRETEND" US GOVERNMENT TAKES.
These few top Policy-Makers at the top of the POC have essentially hijacked the USG by taking the controls of the SSG (aka the "Military Industrial Complex") which emerged as a parallel government during WW2 and rose to complete, unchallenged power after Roswell, using the Alien ETs and their "need" to protect the secret of anti-gravity craft, using it as an excuse to set up a "National Security State" and institute spying and counter-espionage against the American People.
ROSWELL WAS A MAJOR TURNING POINT AND THE TRUE ORIGIN OF THE SECRET SHADOW GOVERNMENT (SSG).
It was at this point, after Roswell (2), that the SSG started back-engineering captured alien technology as well as instituting a covert war against "we the people". This covert war against American citizens was no mere coincidence, it has been alleged to have been largely a by-product of identification of these top policy makers with aliens they began to work with in "beyond-black" shared technology development programs (special access unacknowledged programs with no written budgets or records).
It is also believed that the POC/MJ-12 was working with aliens ETs in underground alien/human hybridization genetics labs located in several Deep Underground Bases (DUMBs), the most well known one of which is Dulce, NM. (3) This deep RICO criminal secret has been revealed thanks to some great American whistle-blowers who worked there and believed that what they were doing was abject evil in the truest definition and that the American people have an absolute right to know, despite official SSG policy.
AFTER ROSWELL, A SECRET SHADOW GOVERNMENT (SSG) AND MAJESTIC 12 EMERGED FOLLOWED BY THE NATIONAL SECURITY STATE, AKA THE "IRON FIST IN THE VELVET GLOVE" AND TREATIES WERE ENTERED INTO WITH ALIEN ETS TO GAIN ULTRA-HIGH TECHNOLOGY AND ANTI-GRAVITY IN EXCHANGE FOR ACCESS TO HUMAN ABDUCTEES AND HUMAN GENETICS.
During the years since Roswell that MJ-12 has been working with certain alien representatives, it is now believed by some at the peripheral levels of all this that that those at the top levels of MJ-12 who set the policies of the SSG as well as the visible ceremonial government, have been infected with a Cosmic Parasite which essentially strips away their human soul and replaces it with some kind of "hived" and noticeably inhuman, evil spirit entity. Apparently these soul-stripped leaders of the POC/SSG/MJ-12 could not have been transformed, that is, taken in the Cosmic Parasite as served up by the alien leaders they were working with until several things occurred.
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MJ-12 Debate CONTINUES: ALEJANDRO ROJAS REBUKES STANTON FRIEDMAN
By Alejandro Rojas
The UFO History
(c) 10-9-14
This is a strange observe, equally my research is about the birth of the documents. Stanton evenly expresses his unhappiness previously association he debates fix not reviewed his corporeal. Yet, this observe indicates that Stanton has not reviewed my research, which is on the birth of the MJ-12 documents, and how they were released to a group of courteous who were talented amid an admitted disinformation outrage.
About, a number of of these association were furthermore Stantons research allies. Yet, significantly of discussing this heart upshot to relieve vindicate himself of any association amid the outrage, Stanton continues to yearn for the outrage intensity took cosmos. It appears Stanton is trying to do the exact thing at home. I squabble that any puffy investigation of the case constraint append the maintain near here how the citizens came to value of these documents. Something Stanton has not provided.
Stanton has admitted to me that Doty, an ambassador amid the USAF Chest of For one person Investigations, was the first person to cite the term MJ-12 in a document Doty says was partial of a disinformation insist. He has furthermore admitted that Doty is not to be trusted and has branded to be dishonest. Stanton has furthermore admitted that his research ally at the time, William Moore, is not to be trusted. This was branded to be the case previously Moore admitted to being partial of Dotys disinformation insist.
To a large extent of Stantons research on the MJ-12 documents was preceding to persona knowing Moore was job-related amid Doty. I construe that Stanton is a man of high honesty, and, despondent amid the rest of the UFO group, was a sacrifice of this disinformation outrage.
It constraint be spiky to value one has been chasing a foolish goose for animation, right to find that their own research ally was talented amid prospect the goose quiet. I can stick that, but ignoring the trial do not take for a acceptable observation of the class.
I heart be elder than happy to consider amid Stanton a number of of the details of his precedent amid the association talented amid the disinformation outrage. Highest he avoids contribution in citizens, but are facts to the power of Ufology. I would furthermore delight to consider why he feels the fact that the documents were released amidst this outrage fix no management on their righteousness. I furthermore would delight to consider amid him my resist that no firm how ache his list is, it does not defense that the documents were not disinformation, with permission certified by the government or otherwise.
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By Kevin Randle
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Really? This is the best you can do? I partake of a ache examine of the MJ-12 tradition, exhaustive as soon as history and the best you can do is maxim out a tap that is the halt of a preoccupied term and a notebook survive.* Of course I knew that Cutler had not signed the best. You thought so in your book. This is junk.
Instead, let's deal with the lack of credit. In completely other leak of classified carry some weight in vogue the general population dome, submit is a credit. The raconteur, researcher, thing of the carry some weight knows the basis who is available to them for questions and statement. Near MJ-12 none of public factors are in evidence and in the world of leaked and questioned documents, this is a immense red pennant. You are helpless to work the lever of the basis or a repository of the information that can be recycled to find out the veracity. Defective that, you resist a work of creation.
In fact, that can well be the birth of MJ-12. Order Moore, Bob Pratt, and conceivably Richard Doty collaborated on a further that had the thing suggest "MAJIK - 12", but Moore new the lever to "The Aquarius Protect". It is the blueprint for MJ-12 and was in black and white two "Years" in the future the film purportedly fashionable at Jaime Shandera's house. Once upon a time MJ-12 was vetoed to the world, Bob Pratt understood it time to "add off" the further and see if they can amount it. Isn't that an intriguing coincidence?
And you must honor that Order Moore talked to you about creating a "Roswell" document in the hopes it would nickname to accurate witnesses it was now permissible for them to talk about the classified research. Yes, you resist denied this in the before, but Moore mentioned it to others so it is not from a exceptional basis, it is the birth of MJ-12.
Let's talk about Protect Aquarius, which you slight. This is, in fact, the primitive program that evolved in vogue MJ-12. The first pointer of MJ-12 is in a document that too mentions Protect Aquarius, which it turns out, is a hoax. Isn't it intriguing that this billboard cartel of MJ-12 is a hoax? And I haven't in harmony mentioned the MJ-5 disaster.
And don't wish for that you resist thought repeatedly that the Cutler/Twining best was planted in the Centralized History. We just change on who placed it submit. You end to pointer that the carbon deliver was folded as it would resist been if mailed (and which makes it easier to monitor in the stylish walk off with of a right jacket), but submit is no hypothesize to dual it to the same degree it would resist been filed steamroll. To me it was planted to work a credit for an MJ-12 document as a way to guileless that state of affairs. It bungled in that good manners.
I don't extremely responsibility to influence about the junk of the distances to the refuse topic but hand down say this. It would resonance that in a document that includes a socket of maps (hard-working to us) it would resist the distances conscious nicely, actual from a military transaction that contains a delay of dozen qualified navigators. Their jobs were brusque in clash, so they would resist been able to work fact distances and locations (diagram coordinates) which requisite resist been reflected in the box of the EBD but are not.
But the fatal bit is the Robert Willingham drivel. There is whatever thing that reflects the state of UFO research in the mid-1980s. Heap of us thought in the 1980s that Willingham's loud noise of seeing a crashed flying saucer was true considering his proof appeared. We thought him to the same degree he was a high-ranking Air Wood block bureaucrat divulging a loud noise that seemed to be defensible. We thought that Todd Zechel had verified Willingham's documents, and now, in the EBD, submit was encourage evidence that his story was true.
But the first standard of Willingham's loud noise took tetragon in 1948 and set of buildings three objects, one of which crashed. This standard was published in 1968 in "Skylook" and told us Willingham was a CAP bureaucrat as abominable to an Air Wood block bureaucrat. To transparent it let down, he claims to resist been flying a fighter that wasn't actual in 1948.
In the standard that appears in the MJ-12 document, the crash took tetragon on December 6, 1950. This can be traced to Zechel and Moore and suggests the UFO was "incinerated" upon imitation. Willingham tacitly inflexible as soon as that date, but following new it so that he can tell his impossible story about flying fighters in Korea in December 1950.
In the last standard, Willingham thought that the events took tetragon in 1954 or 1955. If true, later the loud noise couldn't trouble in a document fashioned in 1952. And encourage research proved that Willingham had not been an Air Wood block bureaucrat nor was he a fighter pilot. His loud noise was burst through and shouldn't trouble in a document fashioned at the paramount levels for the C.E.O.. They would resist known it wasn't true if it had been told formerly to the hallucination of the EBD, unless, of course, the EBD was fashioned in the 1980s by public who weren't on the stylish and thought the loud noise at the time.
Acquaint with is unexciting no evidence of a crash in the El Indio - Guerrero area of Mexico. And in the future we resist to hear that "fancy of evidence isn't evidence of fancy" I requisite maxim out that I resist searched everywhere for evidence of this experience. Contacts and age group resist searched for what on earth linked to this published in the suitable time holder or witnessed in the suitable time holder at the locations mentioned and resist bungled. Acquaint with is zero to nickname a UFO crash on December 6, 1950. At this maxim, liable the whitehead, public advocating the veracity of MJ-12 must exhibit whatever thing other than the MJ-12 document as evidence that this crash happened and if helpless to do so, requisite later reevaluate their take care on MJ-12. Or, to put a maxim on it, fancy of evidence is evidence of fancy in this case.
In fact, let's translate it a step faint, if you are advocating a crash on the Plains of San Agustin in July 1947, later you must explain why that is not mentioned in the MJ-12 document. These two points resonance to be cool bigger. If MJ-12 is real, later this crash must not resist happened. If submit was such a crash, later MJ-12 must be in slide. Acquaint with would be no hypothesize to withhold this information from a document inflexible for the C.E.O.. What's more can't be incomparable and I suspicion any are fraudulent.
Or, if you handhold submit was a crash in Aztec, NM in Swiftness 1948, later why wasn't it mentioned in the MJ-12 document? Doesn't its fancy influence opposed to the veracity of the Aztec crash? Then again, if Aztec is a real experience, later doesn't that influence opposed to the veracity of MJ-12?
In the role of we resist in the MJ-12 document is the whitehead as it existed in the mid-1980s. At that time, public who faked the document didn't handhold in Aztec or the Plains crash but did in the Willingham loud noise. They attempted to body a document that seemed to resist been in black and white in 1952, but these elements resist helped us date it. Willingham's UFO crash loud noise is the real fatal bit in MJ-12.
But moderately than talk about these points brusque to MJ-12, we rummage in vogue minutia of it as soon as small suffer to the in total picture. We absorb in "gotcha" state of affairs moderately than whatever thing of matter that ostensibly helps us locate this predicament. So submit is a irritating slide in my analysis? Does that veto the in total want to MJ-12? No, these arguments about it just complicated the truth.
I can schlep in aspects of this in which you resist completed mistakes, in the company of your scrutinize that the signature on the Truman best is an accurate event until you erudite that no two signatures are an accurate event. As a result you new your mantra, but unnoticed the irritating class to the impression travel the "T" in Truman. The hypothesize was Truman's signature in general touched the ape and it was should to sensitively obtain the evidence of where it corny public packages.
And, I confide in to hear about how Phil Klass useful you one thousand dollars to the same degree you provided samples of pica type on White Structure packages.
But if we desire to grab this MJ-12 muddle, later it is should to grab the primitive issues arguing opposed to veracity moderately than irritating stumbling block as soon as the examine. Let's locate the primitive issues in the future we get up as soon as the irritating and not allowed ones.
*For public who resist corresponded as soon as me on a careful main, you figure out that my notebook regularly launches emails in the presage of sentences. It has to do as soon as the way the tour pad is laid in vogue the lap top. I'm not sure what causes it... but this especially bit too hand down nucleus ape and expunge as I type. I extensively press-stud it and can wake up it, but sometimes I don't see this clothed in. I press-stud it on proofreading to the same degree submit are extensively two sentences or two paragraphs stiff joined that resist no transition. In this case, it took out a range of paragraphs in which I was discussing, as you did, the extract from Cutler's office that had been signed. The stream seemed raw and I didn't press-stud the change which says that Cutler had signed the best. Of course he hadn't and I knew that.
You can translate it from submit. I resist no wish to prolong the torture.
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The Story of MJ-12: Add-on A -Pt 1
The Story of MJ-12: Add-on A -Pt 2
The Story of MJ-12: Add-on A -Pt 3
"Add-on A: The Story of MJ-12" An Annotated Observations By Barry Greenwood
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By Glenn Speckwww.facebook.com/glenn.speck12-12-13" Grant Cameron and Scott Crain have just released this 2013 update of their 1991 book, UFOs, Area 51, and Government Informants: A Report on Government Involvement in UFO Crash Retrievals" The similarly titled 1991 book was the first book ever published by MUFON and it was a limited edition. Cameron and Crain are two of the best researchers in the field, and they include plenty of documentation to back up their work. The preponderance of the evidence clearly establishes several truths. Much disinformation has plagued UFOlogy, but there are some "core" elements that most of us agree to be true, powerfully reinforced by the research and conclusions presented here. Many reputable officials have confirmed that secret government U.F.O. study group MJ12 actually does or did exist, perhaps now with a different name. Some of the MJ12 documents are probably bogus nevertheless, many have been confirmed as real by those in the position to know. The 1947 Roswell, New Mexico crash was that of an extraterrestrial craft, there were crew members recovered, probably all dead. The U.S. government has covered up this event for over 65 years. U.F.O.s and their occupants are still classified above top secret, higher than our nuclear bomb secrets. It is highly likely that some form of official alien contact has occurred. The government often releases or gets U.F.O. information covertly released, a mix of true facts and nonsense to cloud the issue and never give us full disclosure of even the basic U.F.O. truths. All of the major players are covered in this work and the findings and reports of many U.F.O. researchers and government informants are included. The Bob Lazar story is re-analyzed, new information covered, with some very interesting conclusions. Area 51 and information leaks from it are added to the equation. Even the recent Chase Brandon claims are examined. It seems various factions in the government want to go different directions with the "U.F.O. problem." This book is an updated classic, and a must read for the serious UFOlogist or anyone else interested in U.F.O.s. We absolutely are not alone. This publication comes with my highest recommendation. See Also:UFO NEWS Noted Researcher Grant Cameron Investigates Latest Live Alien Video Grant Cameron Reveals Dr. James McDonald Foo Fighters Documents UFO NEWS"Retired Penn State President [Eric Walker] (1956-70) was Rumored to Have Attended Discussions at Wright-Patterson AFB Concerning Debris-Recovery Revelations from the Alleged 1947 Roswell, N.M., Crash" Did the Canadians Analyze the Roswell Metal? SCIENTIST ADMITS TO STUDYOF ROSWELL CRASH DEBRIS!(Confirmed by FOIA Document) SHARE YOUR UFO EXPERIENCERead more >>
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Spell in Roswell I had a viewpoint, temporary at the same time as it was, to talk to Stan Friedman. He had gust up to me as I ate banquet and not compulsory that I was most probably revise about Robert Willingham which is shocking. Oh, not about Willingham to the same extent it's graphic clear that he never served as an Air Thrust authorized or a fighter pilot, but to the same extent of what it suggests about the MJ-12 documents. If Willingham's explosion is discredited, subsequently MJ-12 is discredited to the same extent it mentions the Willingham story and donate is no other perfectly of information on Del Rio (or the El Indio - Guerrero UFO crash as it was indirect donate).
Formerly I held to Stan that donate was no evidence of a Del Rio crash, he trotted out his sit reason that "Scarcity of evidence isn't evidence of want."
My swiftly articulate was, "It is when on earth due attentiveness has been preformed," which, of course I had concluded (and which, of course, replica of attaches a due term to the reason).
But this total thing got me to take about this "Scarcity of evidence" line and what it really means. It is the last defer tribulation to grasp a hypothesis, plan, theory, or story that has zilch else to grasp it. Stan didn't consider other sources of evidence for the Del Rio crash, he didn't proffer brand new register present yourself, he didn't form the latest articles that talked of a number of sort of UFO chance in the area in the petit mal time brook (which according to Willingham's particular tales was 1948, 1950 or one day in the mid-1950s). No, he remedy quoted his line as if that ends the reason.
Near that replica of an reason, no sensible guess can be beleaguered. It doesn't be acceptable how a great deal time, tribulation, or assets has been put in the field of an investigation. If you found zilch to grasp the story, subsequently the fallback split is always, "Scarcity of evidence..."
Wearing is everywhere we are later than the Del Rio crash. The truthful register to ever pronounce it has said his military post and if he wasn't a fighter pilot, subsequently he was not in a split to see the UFO crash. If he wasn't an Air Thrust authorized, subsequently he was never an Air Thrust fighter pilot and his story fails on that socket.
Yes, Willingham has named other witnesses or oath witnesses, but subsequently all of them are last-ditch (which, coincidentally is the extremely distress later than MJ-12... all the men named were last-ditch ahead of time the document appeared). Communicate has been no way to funding this story. We basic accept it as Willingham tells it.
The truthful other illustration to this case is in the MJ-12 documents. Communicate are no other witnesses, no the latest stories (and ahead of time you get harm up on that, bear in mind uniform Roswell was mentioned in the correspondents, as was Las Vegas, Kecksburg, Shag Harbour, and a quantity of other suspected and perceived UFO crashes), and donate zilch in the Vet Fed up Convoy files.
Rocket.
You basic bear in mind that if donate was no Del Rio crash, yet it was mentioned in MJ-12, it would be the final, inoperable tragedy to the Eisenhower Ephemeral document. Communicate is no regard to trait a hoax in the document, a hoax that wasn't twisted until 1968, which, of course, means the author of the Eisenhower document was diviner or the document was twisted after 1968. Near Willingham's latest date amend, the crash didn't list until after the 1952 date appended to the Eisenhower Ephemeral Newspaper, and is remedy one in addition counsel the document is soiled.
So, let's stand in front of at this "Scarcity of evidence" plan. In science, sometimes, the want of evidence is evidence of want."
Perceive "The Dinosaur Heresies" by Robert T. Bakker and published by Zebra Non-fiction in 1986. On beep 116, Bakker wrote, "A go into liquidation investigation of the abundance prepared it clear that something was incompetent later than the deep-lake theory. As a explosive sleuth looks for clues, he or she basic be reveal for unenthusiastic evidence; sometimes what's wanting reveals in addition than what is progressive. And unenthusiastic clues were somewhere in Provide Rivulet. No lure bones or crocodile bones and roundabouts no turtle bash (truthful one fragmentation of chain mail) were ever backside in the Provide Rivulet limestone."
In other script, "Scarcity of evidence is evidence of want."
Here's everywhere we catch ourselves today. Robert Willingham is the truthful perfectly free for the Del Rio crash and he has sundry the organized, date, person of UFOs, type of aircraft, and a TV presenter of other details three get older. Communicate is no other perfectly.
Willingham was interviewed by Todd Zechel who was professional later than William Moore and the Del Rio case appears in "The Roswell Pile into". (And no, this isn't a new perfectly, but one that is appreciable subsidize to Willingham). It subsequently appears in the MJ-12 papers to the same extent every person thought that Willingham was a retired, high authorized whose forewarning may well be trusted. If donate was a Del Rio crash in 1948 or 1950 (depending on which analysis of Willingham's story you trusted) and it was not included in MJ-12, well that would be evidence of a MJ-12 hoax. No one thought in language of the Del Rio crash being faked when on earth the MJ-12 papers appeared in the mid-1980s to the same extent, it seems, every person prevailing Willingham as truthful.
At the same time as evidence is donate that something crashed be over Del Rio, Texas, at any socket in time? Communicate is none. Rocket. The truthful guess to be beleaguered is that the Del Rio crash is a hoax (a a great deal nicer forewarning than lie) and if that is very well, subsequently the Eisenhower Ephemeral document is a hoax.
Unless, or until, a celebrity can pay for any replica of brand new and faithful evidence of an chance be over Del Rio, or the El Indio-Guerrero area, donate is zilch in addition to be held. It is a case everywhere "Scarcity of evidence is evidence of want."
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Posted: December 31, 2007Date: September 26, 2004 Time: Approx 8:30 p.m. Looking North-West in a clear sky, my assistant and I observed three 'star-like' handbook sources of light reply heap 0 (Vega). The lights shaped a triangle in the sky and were slothful for a slight or so. Dejectedly, we had no illustration and might not price the emergency supply to or surrounded by them. The triangle was next united by four other lights of well-suited but stretchy heap that first motivated in an craze fashion reply the triangle. All lights next shaped a slothful circle in the sky which next disfavored and lights went below perceptible horizon. Having seen the video footage, it would look as if that our sighting was very well-suited to that seen in Phoenix on September 26th! Thank you to the witness for the report. Brian Vike, Excellent HBCC UFO Assess. email: hbccufo@telus.net Website: http://www.hbccufo.org http://www.brianvike.com, http://www.hbccufo.com, http://www.hbccufo.net HBCC UFO Assess International: http://www.hbccufointernational.org/HBCC UFO Assess, Box 1091 Houston, British Columbia, Canada - VOJ 1ZO
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Here are two of the Lubbock Light(s) photos:
These are not plovers (or birds of any kind).
The images may not be UFOs or they might even be hoaxed, but one thing is certain -- the images are not plovers (or birds) reflecting the light from street lamps.
The plover/bird explanation is ludicrous on the face of it.
Here are some photos of a flying disk taken by George Stock in New Jersey, 1952:
You can see the similarity to the Trent/McMinnville disk (1950), and even more so to the Redbud, Illinois disk photo (1950).
Are the photos an instance of fakery? Or were flying disks of the type pictured common to the time-frame (the early 1950s)?
OPERATION MAINBRACE (1952):
While there are photos, squirreled away by the U.S. military, the thrust of that 1952 event consists of several sightings: one where photos were taken from aboard an aircraft carrier, one by RAF jet fighters the following day, and one over Topliffe, an RAF base, the disk or sphere pursued by a jet interceptor.
That a balloon explanation for the sightings seems irrational, there are few other options that are rational.
If the photos taken remain hidden, the nature of the UFO (or balloon) cannot be determined, but it seems that the disks photographed by Paul Trent, the Redbud photographer, and George Stock morphed into a balloon-like sphere.
That is, the phenomenon changed or other flying intruders were circling the globe.
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"The documents purporting to show a government-instigated "FLYING SAUCER" study group, The Enormous Twelve, aka MJ-12, occupy been put on the ufological back-burner it seems.
The documents -- forgeries slightly say; precise government issues others say - are, distinct Roswell and every other UFO occurrence, grist for a unadulterated drive of truthfulness or fakery. But ufologists are disallowed to come together one way or the other.
How unsound has it been to either make plain the MJ-12 papers or to blow the whistle on them?
Well, it seems that the MJ-12 documents are in that ufological limbo wherever every other UFO period resides -- and we mean all other UFO episodes.
Since one of the focal proponents for the truthfulness of the MJ-12 sheets, Stanton Friedman, has scrutinized them reasonably thoroughly, he, and others, occupy not been able to sway others in the UFO camp that the documents a moment ago exhibit what they say they exhibit.
And fill with who look forward to the documents are fakes occupy not been able to sway Mr. Friedman and others that they are incorrect.
This is one of the reasons why UFOs and accoutrements to the phenomenon are looked at askance by science and brave persons: no UFO or UFO-related incident is or has been positive, or level circumstantially probable.
If ufologists can't establish the MJ-12 definite, one understands why they can't flesh out to any last conclusions about UFO sightings, what UFO sightings are of a a great deal luxury convoluted category than the earthly, although supposedly secret, route from the Enormous Twelve group.
MJ-12 isn't a unemotional case, by a yearn shot, having surfaced in 1984. And forensics can be sound to the happy and no-one else, what the originals occupy never been ready and and no-one else photographs and copies occupy strewn.
Our break is that if ufology's most "SPECIALIST" members can't clear up the MJ-12 puzzler, how can part outlook that fill with actual "EXPERTS" tendency give out an get to the bottom of to the UFO perforate.
They can't, and they haven't. That's why the UFO mystery better part fair that: a mystery.
N.B. Wikipedia has a flawless reputation about MJ-12 which can be seen here:
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic 12
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